Be My Bro: Why we are terrorists

Why we are terrorists

  1. Comment by Ʀahٹლą'i on November 15, 2008 at 11:44 PM  

    1:53: "Israel has killed more innocent civilians per capita than any other country". I demand to know the source of this loathsome falsehood.

    2:43: Untrue. I guess the maker of the clip forgot "Hqq al-'awda". What's funny is that UN General Assembly Resolution 194 puts the return of Palestinian refugees on a par with the "resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees" in other countries and that provision made the resolution anathema to the Arab states, which opposed it vehemently and voted unanimously against it because the measure was seen, correctly, as establishing no absolute "right of return." This, however, did not prevent Arabs and Palestinians from transforming the resolution into the cornerstone of an utterly spurious legal claim to a "right of return," which in their internal discourse is invariably equated with the destruction of Israel through demographic subversion.

    And therein, no doubt, lies the crux of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute. For to refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist, sixty years after the assertion of this right by the international community, and to insist on the full implementation of the "right of return," at a time when Israel has long agreed to the creation of a Palestinian state roughly along the pre-1967 lines, indicates that, in the Palestinian perception, peace is not a matter of adjusting borders and territory but rather a euphemism for the annihilation of the Jewish state.

    3:00: speaking of "stealing" anything, check the fact beforehand.
    Israel is also the only country that releases mass murderers from prison, supplying their enemy with water, electricity, gas, sewage and telecommunications services and medical supplies. Israel is the only country that wins wars which were waged against it and returns the lands it rightly conquered. The only ones to be blamed are the Palestinian authorities. he independent Palestinian news agency Maan reported on Dec. 6, 2007:

    "The Palestinian health ministry of the Ramallah-based caretaker government said on Thursday that "Hamas militias" have looted the fuel stores destined for hospital vehicles in the Gaza Strip.

    A statement released by the health ministry said that fuel from the European hospital in the Gaza Strip had been stolen by the director of the hospital drivers to supply the Hamas-affiliated Executive Force."

    The UN report cites a Palestinian strike – not Israel – as responsible for the water problems:

    "Gaza’s water authority, the Coastal and Municipalities Water Utility (CMWU), has not received any supplies of diesel this week because of the distributors’ strike. As a result, Gaza’s three sewage treatment stations are unable to operate normally." (Gaza Closure: Situation Report, January 29)

    3:23: Regarding agriculture, the agricultural production of the West Bank increased from 163.1 in 1968 (the year just after the Six Day War) to 1087 in 1992 (the year just before Oslo), an increase of 566%! In the Gaza Strip, over the same period, the increase was 194 percent. Under Israeli rule average olive production increased by 83%!

    As for house demolition, the media misinforms people on much of the issue. So damaging the media images of occasional families evicted from illegally constructed houses (most demolitions are of partially built and uninhabited structures), that Israel has been largely unwilling to halt the vast wave of illegal Arab building. Under the Fourth Geneva Convention Occupying Powers are prohibited from destroying property or employing collective punishment. Article 53 reads: "Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons…is prohibited." Under this provision the practice of demolishing Palestinian houses is banned, as is the wholesale destruction of the Palestinian infrastructure.

    It certainly arouses curiosity see the maker of the clip neglect Islamic law, which allows cutting down the trees of the enemy (Ahl al-Kitab), and "take as booty whatever they decide…they may steal as much food as they need" (Al-Ghazali, Kitab al-Wagiz fi fiqh madhab al-imam al-Safi’i)

    I could destroy other myths this clip perpetuates if I only had the time. They simply don't stand up to historical facts. Jews have been demonized enough. What the Muslims have done in 14 centuries the Jews have not nearly done in three millennia.

  2. Comment by Ʀahٹლą'i on November 15, 2008 at 11:50 PM  
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  3. Comment by Ʀahٹლą'i on November 15, 2008 at 11:51 PM  

    Also, two initiatory recommended articles:
    "What Occupation?" by Dr. Efraim Karsh, Professor and Head of Mediterranean Studies at Kings College, University of London

    "How the Palestinians Ruined Gaza" By P. David Hornik

  4. Comment by roqayah on November 17, 2008 at 2:43 PM  

    “In the moral theory of war, an occupying power should not repress or murder civilians”
    Seeing that Israel institutes itself as an occupying power (namely it’s use of the title ‘Occupied Territories’ should be evidence enough) and shows no moral compassion for any human life (Arab or NonArab) they should not be allowed to perpetrate their Zionist propaganda or permeate any faction of their nihilism into the American or European economies.
    Israel is like a rabid dog seen raping any form of humanity it finds –
    So, without mincing words, it is time to neuter the terror state of Israel (The Rabid Dog) before it impregnates the peace process.

    "For many people it is difficult to give up the Zionist myths with which they grew up. They try to evade any discussion on this subject - and indeed, it is hardly ever mentioned in our media."
    -Uri Avnery

    When Israel steals land from others we look the other way. When they make plans to murder Hamas leadership then shell a Palestinian beach to create a conflict for invasion, we shrug. And when Israeli soldiers are captured in Lebanon, their act of retaliation is to level infrastructure that is still recovering from 20 years of Israeli occupation.

    David Ben Gurion, the first Israeli Prime Minister, once said, "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

    Since you, so kindly, recommended books for the blogger to read I would love to do the same:

    The Case Against Israel
    by Michael Neumann
    The Case Against Israel argues that Zionism was responsible for the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians and that Israel is responsible for its perpetuation. The argument rests on widely accepted factual claims and impeccable sources. It avoids rhetoric and gratuitous moralizing.

    Michael Neumann was born in 1946, the son of German Jewish refugees

    The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
    by Ilan Pappe
    Renowned Israeli author and academic Pappe (A History of Modern Palestine) does not mince words, doing Jimmy Carter one better (or worse, depending on one's point of view) by accusing Israel of ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity beginning in the 1948 war for independence, and continuing through the present.

    It’s laughable that you say JEWS have been demonized enough- who said anything about the Jews? Typical of a Zionist to twist whatever truth they can find that has not been tainted by their filth
    “A good Jew is not a Zionist and a Zionist is not a good Jews”
    It says a lot that you cannot fathom that Judaism and Zionism are the antitheses’ of one other:
    ”The so-called "State of Israel" stands rejected on religious grounds by the Torah. Its monstrous insensitivity to the laws of basic decency and fairness appall all men be they Jewish or not.”
    -Neturei Karta (Jews againt Zionism)

    Oh and you might want to get those books soon ;) Amazon is having a sale

  5. Comment by Ʀahٹლą'i on November 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM  
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  6. Comment by Ʀahٹლą'i on November 17, 2008 at 4:33 PM  

    Empty words. No refutations. No arguments. As expected.

    Is the quote supposed to be from Machiavelli? Well, it isn't in my edition of The Prince.

    You still sing to the "Occupying Power/Territories" tune, which shows you did not read "What Occupation?," an article written by Dr. Efraim Karsh, Professor and Head of Mediterranean Studies at King's College London (Commentary, Jul/Aug2002, Vol. 114 Issue 1, p46, 6p). DO NOT COMMENT BEFORE READING IT.

    You have no idea who Avneri is. All you did is copy and paste the quote, without activation of any of your brain cells, so save it.

    As for Ben Gurion's quote, don't mix hearsay with historical evidence. There is much fabricated "documents" used against Israel, and Professor Karsh devotes an entire chapter in his book, Fabricating Israeli History, to an examination of the letter and other written statements by Ben-Gurion used by revisionists to support their allegation that he supported expulsion.

    For Zionism as a whole: Of course, it's not nice to say you're against the Jews after the holocaust. So, as Dr. Manfred Gerstenfeld puts it, you have found an escape clause to be against the Jews without saying you are against the Jews, and so you say "I am against Israel".

    Look up David Meir-Levi's publication.

    I will take your recommendations into account, but allow me to say that if your views are shaped by Ilan Pappe and the like, your portrait is likely to be distorted. Consider reading Dr. Efraim Karsh's quick review of A History of Modern Palestine (http://www.meforum.org/article/897), and Benny Morris' article, who even though a "new historian", was "appalled" by Pappe's falsehoods (http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/4479.html).
    Neumann is simply dishonest. He candidly informed a neo-Nazi website that he is "not interested in the truth, or justice, or understanding," unless it serves the Palestinian cause.

    Neturei Karta hold absolutely no authority nor credibility in our community. ALL Jews, with no exception, are "Zionist" by definition. It is mandated by God as recorded in the Torah, every Jew yearns for Zion and speaks of it every day, it is in our prayer. So to claim that "A good Jew is not a Zionist" is preposterous!

    I myself am a Mountain Jew from the land of Daghestan, and we walked on foot! from the Caucasus to Jerusalem long before European secular Jews came, so don't give me fairy tales you head from Muslim discussion boards.


  7. Comment by BeMyBro on November 18, 2008 at 7:31 AM  

    ^^^ said a zionist

  8. Comment by roqayah on November 18, 2008 at 9:10 AM  

    Neturei Karta:
    Judaism believes in One G-d who revealed the Torah. It affirms Divine Providence and, accordingly, views Jewish exile as a punishment for sin. Redemption may be achieved solely through prayer and penance. Judaism calls upon all Jews to obey the Torah in its entirety including the commandment to be patriotic citizens.
    Zionism rejects the Creator, His Revelation and reward and punishment. Among its fruits are the persecution of the Palestinian people and the spiritual and physical endangering of the Jewish people. It encourages treasonous, dual loyalty among unsuspecting Jews throughout the world. At its root Zionism sees reality as barren and desacralized. It is the antithesis of Torah Judaism.

  9. Comment by roqayah on November 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM  

    Paper delivered by G. J. Neuberger
    Maybe it will cure you of your ignorance.

    From his speech:
    "In what way are the Jews a "chosen people"? Every Jewish man anywhere and at any time when called to the reading of the Torah says, "Who has chosen us from all the peoples and gave us His Torah." This is the way in which the Jews are chosen. The Jewish people are chosen not for domination over others, not for conquest or warfare, but to serve G-d and thus to serve mankind. "And the hands are the hands of Esau," has been traditionally interpreted to mean that while "the voice is Jacob's," the hands- - symbolizing violence - are Esau's. Thus physical violence is not a tradition or a value of the Jews. The task for which the Jewish people were chosen is not to set an example of military superiority or technical achievements, but to seek perfection in moral behavior and spiritual purity. Of all the crimes of political Zionism, the worst and most basic, and which explains all its other misdeeds, is that from its beginning Zionism has sought to separate the Jewish people from their G-d, to render the divine covenant null and void, and to substitute a "modern" statehood and fraudulent sovereignty for the lofty ideals of the Jewish people."

    You could learn a thing or twoo about humanity from him :)

  10. Comment by roqayah on November 18, 2008 at 9:17 AM  

    Zionist's are all the same.."ooh ooh you're an Anti-Semite...ooh you hate Jews.."
    Give me a break!
    Do you not have anything new to piss and moan about sir?
    I myself do not,nor shall I ever,hate a Jew.
    I despise the Zionists (be they CHRISTIAN or JEWISH)
    Your anti-semitic B.S does not work with me -since I am myself a Semite :)
    Keep screaming Anti-Semite, Nazi, Hater, et al, ad nauseam. The words you throw around so casually have changed their meaning, thanks to you, and now simply mean a person who is telling the truth.
    "What hypocrisy, what perversion it is to have the Israeli army fight under an emblem, the meaning of which is explained in the Tenach (on the occasion of a previous return to the Holy Land) as, "not with armed force and not with power, but in My spirit says the Lord of Hosts."
    -G. J. Neuberger

    Try reading:

    Maybe you,being a "mountain Jew", should go back to the mountains, try the Alps :)
    Aurevio ;)